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Tuesday, January 30, 2007

HB1027: "Stand your ground" bill (Updated)

This will be a showdown between prosecutors and the NRA. I'm up to 27 e-mails this morning supporting this bill since 7:00a.m. It will be presented on a special order of business in House Judiciary next Tuesday.

It modifies the self-defense doctrine and has been made law in other states, specifically Florida, where it has received the most attention.

It has basically four components:

(1) It establishes that law-abiding residents and visitors may legally presume the threat of bodily harm or death from anyone who breaks into a residence or occupied structure and may use defensive force, including deadly force, against the intruder.

(2) In any other place where a person “has a right to be,” that person has “no duty to retreat” if attacked and may “meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”

(3)In either case, a person using any force permitted by the law is immune from criminal prosecution or civil action and cannot be arrested unless a law enforcement agency determines there is probable cause that the force used was unlawful.

(4) If a civil action is brought and the court finds the defendant to be immune based on the parameters of the law, the defendant will be awarded all costs of defense.

Here's the bill (click).


Update: Lori tells me that we've gotten 2 calls at home so far this morning in support of this bill. They're working it.

2nd Update: I've received another 25 e-mails since lunch and Lori called saying she's received another half-dozen phone calls at home (one from Minnesota). There comes a time when their efforts become counterproductive.

I met with the Prosecutor Coordinator's office this morning on this bill, and I have yet to meet with the NRA or any other interest groups, so I'll withhold judgment, but here's where I am as of right now:

1. Current law says that deadly force may not be used in self-defense if it can be avoided with complete safety by retreating or surrenduring the property if a few conditions are met. In other words, if complete safety does not exist in those situations, you're free to blow their head off. I don't see why this current law is bad law, and I'm a gun owner with a wife and daughter in the house with me. The proposal seems to give you free reign in the event someone comes in the house without permission. It might be different if there were an existing problem in the state with overreaching prosecutions from the use of deadly force in self-defense, but I have heard of no such Arkansas case.

2. My other problem with the proposal is the phrase "place where a person has the right to be." The interpretation of this phrase will be impossible, especially when considering customs of gangs, etc. If I intrude on turf where a person has the right to be, he'll basically have a presumption that I'm there to cause deadly force, thereby giving him authority to take some target practice on me.

3. The proposal also gives the shooter criminal and civil immunity, which could cause some evidentiary roadblocks for law enforcement investigations in alleged murders.

I'm continuing to keep an open mind and will meet with NRA representatives if asked.


8 Comments:

At January 31, 2007 4:54 PM , Blogger Tax Payer said...

Its been a while since I had my torts class but I recall that there is no duty to retreat from one's home. Can you confirm?

 
At January 31, 2007 5:35 PM , Blogger Steve Harrelson said...

That's correct. As a matter of fact, current law states as follows:

5-2-607. Use of deadly physical force in defense of a person.

(a) A person is justified in using deadly physical force upon another person if the person reasonably believes that the other person is:

(1) Committing or about to commit a felony involving force or violence;

(2) Using or about to use unlawful deadly physical force; or

(3)(A) Imminently endangering the person's life or imminently about to victimize the person as described in § 9-15-103 from the continuation of a pattern of domestic abuse.

(B) As used in this section, "domestic abuse" means the same as defined in § 9-15-103.

(b) A person may not use deadly physical force in self-defense if he or she knows that he or she can avoid the necessity of using deadly physical force with complete safety:

(1)(A) By retreating.

(B) However, a person is not required to retreat if the person is:

(i) In the person's dwelling and was not the original aggressor
; or

(ii) A law enforcement officer or a person assisting at the direction of a law enforcement officer; or

(2) By surrendering possession of property to a person claiming a lawful right to possession of the property.

 
At January 31, 2007 9:50 PM , Anonymous John Anderson said...

Current law does not protect you while you are in your yard, in your car or business.
Most offenses against a person happen while you are away from home.
Plus current law does not protect you from civil prosecution in the event of a self defense shooting from say a relative of the criminal or the criminal himself if they live.
What kind of protection is that ?

 
At February 1, 2007 9:25 AM , Blogger Steve Harrelson said...

Those are valid points, John. My main concern now deals with the phrase "where a person has a right to be." If we could change this language to protect lawful gunowners like ourselves and cut out the loophole where this could potentially assist criminals, I would have no problem whatsoever with it.

 
At February 1, 2007 12:43 PM , Anonymous John Anderson said...

This bill is largely aimed at those of us who have concealed carry permits.Arkansas has some 60,000 permit holders, and the revocation rate for people with permits are somewhere around .0025 percent. It is so small it is almost unmeasurable. The segment of the population that carry weapons for self defense is the most law abiding on the planet, don't they deserve the benefit of the doubt ?
What would be the altternative language here? list everyplace in Arkansas that you would say that they could go?
Do the law abiding not deserve to be able to protect themselves in every place they have a right to be?

 
At February 2, 2007 2:58 PM , Blogger David said...

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At February 2, 2007 3:08 PM , Blogger David said...

Steve,
I believe that the "where a person has a right to be." phrase should be interpreted as not trespassing, and not violently aggressive.

The protection from civil liability keeps the person safe from law suits from the original aggressor or his/her heirs from taking advantage of the situation and criminalizing the act of self defense and gaining financially from the original act of violence.

The only reason a person will have legal possession of a firearm (handgun) out side of his/her home or business would be if they have a recognized Concealed Handgun License. These license holders have completed state mandated training and have passed city, county, state and FBI background investigations and waited 120 days (4 months) to legally carry their handguns.

In fact, last fall a man successfully defended himself in North Little Rock against an armed carjacker. And I know of one petite young woman who defended herself with her handgun in a public parking lot at 4:30 in the afternoon against an attacker. After she drew her(legal) gun,(without firing) he suddenly changed his mind and withdrew. She called "911" and he was subsequently arrested minutes later.

If immunity were withheld from those who were justified in their actions they could be sued and amass noteworthy legal expenses for legal defense. If a prospective litigant realizes that the judge will charge him/her for the defendant's costs if it is determined that the defendant was justified for the shooting, they will think very hard before filing that suit and clogging the court's dockets with frivolous law suits.
Thank yuo for your consideration.

 
At April 4, 2007 4:08 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

current self defense law in oklahoma defines a dwelling including any attached porch does arkansas

 

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